tv The 11th Hour With Brian Williams MSNBC November 7, 2017 8:00pm-9:00pm PST
>> that's going to be the last word for this hour. thank you both for joining us, appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> the 11th hour with brian williams starts now. tonight the first big win for democrats in the time trump. ralph northam elected governor of virginia in a race widely seen as a rejection of the president. plus trump with south korea, praise for his own election victory and a plug for his golf course in new jersey. and the one man who was around for all of it, donald trump's closest aid over the years questioned for hours on capitol hill about his boss all as a part of the russia investigation. the 11th hour getting under way on a busy night. well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 292 of the trump administration, one year ago tonight it was the eve of the presidential election. tonight was election night and races around this country and one big fwhun particular.
and here's the theory. if you believe that voters in virginia voted for governor today with a wider message in mind, then tonight was a very bad night for the trump control republican party and a very good night for a democratic party in search of good news. ralph northam, the democrat, is celebrating an easier than expected victory. he is governor elect of the common wealth of virginia defeating the republican ed gillespie, the former gop party chair now turned away in two major elections for senate and governor. while traveling halfway around the world, the president rushed to distance himself from gillespie writing on twitter from south korea that, quote, ed gillespie worked hard but did not embrace me or what i stand for. and that is partially true. gillespie didn't let trump anywhere near him but ran a campaign fueled and continuinged by trumpism. here's a little bit of what northam said at his victory speech in the last hour.
>> you know, it was said that the eyes of the nation are now on the common wealth. today, virginians have answered and have spoken. virginia has told us to end the divisiveness that we will not condone hatred and bigotry and to end the politics that have torn this country apart. >> also tonight a pick up for the dems in new jersey, phil murphy, former ambassador of germany, former partner of goldman sachs, handedly defeated kim quad dag know in that very blue state. as the numbers have rolled in tonight, we have been at the big board tracking them. steve, i was watching chuck todd at 5:00, he didn't believe in the data. i don't think i believed in the data. i don't know if you believed in the data, but having said that what just happened tonight? >> you know, you can call this wunt revenge of the suburbs.
let's take you through the road to victory here for ralph northam, the democrat. that margin you're seeing there, nine points, biggest margin for a democrat in the governor's race in 32 years. you got to go back to 1985. how did he put it together? all the attention was on ed gillespie, the republican and what he was trying to do. he was trying to run on trumpism. he was trying to run on culture issues, on immigration, on these confederate battle month uments and statues, on the m-13. he was trying to run on trump issues but he didn't bring trump into the state. he didn't want to campaign arm in arm with him. what was he trying to accomplish? number one, he was looking at southwest virginia, the rural part of the state. when ed gillespie ran for office here in virginia a few years ago, he did okay down here. he wanted to do a lot more than okay. and donald trump when he ran last year absolutely owned it down here. so the attempt to run on trump issues was to get trump support down here in this part of the
state. we can show you, you know what? it kind of worked. ed gillespie when he ran here three years ago he only twhon county for instance by 36 points. tonig tonight wins it by 50 if the he got half of what he was looking for. but what's the other thing that ed gillespie was looking for? northern virginia, the suburbs. the college-educated suburbs right outside washington, d.c. almost a quarter of the state's vote is right in there. republicans always struggle in these suburbs. but when donald trump ran last year, he did worse than republicans basically have ever done. so ed gillespie was looking at it and saying i don't want to did trump bad, i want do normal republican bad. if i can get the trump numbers in the rural areas and do just normal republican bad in the suburbs, i'm going to have the formula to win. what actually happened, we can take a look at the story, zoom in on these counties, this is
loudon county right here, sort of a subburr ban county outside washington, and ralph northam wins it by 25 points over gillespie. when he ran for the senate three years ago he won this county. donald trump last year against hillary clinton he lost it by 17 points. gillespie theory was you don't bring trump in, you don't get the trump baggage in the suburbs, you can have that competitive showing that he had in 14. instead, he even did a little bit worse than trump. we saw that throughout these suburbs here in northern virginia. here's another one. ed gillespie, he only lost prince william county by three points three years ago, tonight by 23. that's basically what trump did last year. northern virginia, these suburbs, we saw this around the country, these suburbs did not like donald trump at all last year in the presidential election. they were very much against him then. they have not moved an inch toward him, in fact they've moved even further from him. and tonight it filt felt like you look at these results, it
felt like the voters here suburbs down by virginia, they have been waiting for a chance do this, they saw ed gillespie's name on the ballot and what they saw there was donald trump and they voted against donald trump tonight. >> your headline was right on, revention of the suburbs in the common wealth of virginia. thanks so much. we know we'll be seeing you later on. garrett haik is live at northam party headquarters. garrett, i know you and i both expected a later night. they're going to start vacuuming before you know it. this was over so much earlier than expectations. >> reporter: yeah, and they won't be explaining abocomplain. this was cathartic for the democrats in the room tonight. they have been waiting for something like this for the last year. they were surprised by the margin of victory but not disappointed by it certainly. i was out with voters today and some of those suburban counties. i spent most of the day in
fairfax, democratic strong hold, big numbers there. it was a rainy, gross day in northern virginia today and as steve just said, ralph northam blew the doors off in these counties. they had huge turnout and huge margins. and the northam campaign told me their best poll, their most optimistic poll had them winning by five. so this margin surprised even them. so i think we have a question that all democrats are going want to answer over the next couple days is how did they do it? and the early autopsy seems to revolve around two things. they've weaponized the resistance. they found a way to channel this anti-trump energy into votes and into volunteers, into door knocks and phone calls. the campaign's been telling me we had more volunteers and more people that were offering to help essentially than they could use. they had a candidate who they thought represented virginia. a lot of national democrats kind of pushed back on northam, a southern accent, doesn't seem
like a high-energy guy. this is a virginia military institute educated military doctor who spoke to virginians. and you heard some of that in his victory speech tonight. take a listen. >> we live in a very diverse society. it's getting more diverse every day. it is that diverse society that makes this country great. [ cheers and applause ] >> and as long as i'm governor, i will make sure that we're inclusive, that we welcome people to the common wealth of virginia. our lights will be on, our doors will be open. >> so, brian, you hear right there that's a rejection of trumpism without saying the name donald trump. >> i think you'll hear more of that kind of language from democrats in the future, but as far the republicans, you know, as steve said, the whole premise of the good georgia lesspy congressman was to be mitt romney in northern virginia and donald trump in southern
virginia and it's clear tonight that was not a winning strang for him. i think you're going to see a lot of other republicans, particularly barbara comstock who's a house member in northern virginia having to figure out who and what they're going to be in 2018. >> with the story behind the story we're covering tonight, which is this big democratic win in the common wealth of virginia. garrett, thank you very much. time now to bring in our leadoff panel this evening. white house bureau chief for the washington post philip rucker is back with us. kimberly atkins is back with us as well. chief washington reporter for the boston herald and chief white house correspondent "the new york times" pete peter baker who covered virginia politics for a decade. and, boy, virginia politics never ceases to amaze me. peter, we'll start with you. what just happened, do you think, in the common wealth? >> well, the common wealth of virginia provided donald trump a real thumping, that's the phrase of course we've heard in the past on offyear elections. we should remember, of course, that the virginia governor's election comes one year after a presidential election and
doesn't necessarily tell us anything what will come after this. having said that, president trump had had i good run of the special elections all year, managed to hold on to a bunch of house seats that were mostly republican to begin with, but democrats had thought they might be able to take. and the resounding nature of this victory, a nine-point victory far greater than what anybody had expected leave no doubt for debate at this point. what they're telling the country is there is, you know, room for resistance against president trump, there's a consequence to a president who has a 35%, 38% approval rating. >> fill phil, seniority has its privileges and you got to duck out of the asia trip for 12 days of your life. as you read the dispatches from your colleagues, as you hear the language of the president, as you look at things like body language, how do you think tonight this result broadcast like this are going to play halfway around the world? >> well, it's a humbling moment
for president trump. it's his first thumping, as peter put it, a real defeat and a rebuke of his presidency and of the kind of issues, these cultural wedge issues that trump has tried magnify as president. we have to remember his approval rating nationally is at a historic low. there's been no precedent in modern history with an approval rating as low as it is right now. and you've got to think that republicans in the congress and the house are nervous looking at these results. because the story of these house elections in 2018 and the midterms is going to be told in the suburbs just like the ones that steve car knack i can was just talking about. there are so many house districts there where republicans are going to be defending their seats in suburban areas where trump is unpopular that it's going to force the republican party i think to develop a strategy that's going to work given what just happened in virginia. >> and kimberly, let's talk about ed gillespie, the republican candidate tonight who
went down to dee feet. a lot of people said when he embraced trumpism, if not trump, it wasn't him. it wasn't the guide he had shown virginians he was, kind of a dependable, predictable, conservative republican who's been the former party chairman. >> he was. he was about as an establishment republican as you can get. and actually defeated a more trump-like candidate in the primary. but in the last weeks of this race he seemed to have really embraced this trumpist kind of steve bannon-esque way of compaining that focused very strongly on things like immigration, trying to tag ralph northam as being -- embracing immigrants who would become gang members and threaten virginia. and that sort of was the baton that donald trump picked up even though gillespie didn't embrace him wholeheartedly, donald trump tweeted his support for
gillespie, did a robocall today. as you said, saying that he would keep the state safe. of course virginia's one of the safest states in the country so it sort of belies the facts there. but it really back fired on him. virginia's abig state, but it's hard to run than kind of campaign focused to the south thinking that the folks in northern virginia wouldn't see it. and those ads were the talk of the town in northern virginia by people who are really appalled by that and really motivated to vote against it. >> peter, let's talk about 2018 and fraud of course because no two candidates or districts or races err like. can democrats get by with the bumper sticker slogan democrats, because we're not republicans, what must they do? and also how do republicans handle this going forward now? trump and trumpism? >> that's a great question. this is a great moment for democrats in a sense that they are feeling pumped, they're feeling victorious, they haven't had a lot of good news in the last year electorally to point
to, but it doesn't change the fundamental flaws in their party right now. they've got a big skix, a big skix ideology and partiwise. who's going to take this and define it partiwise we're not trump. it goes in certain ways in a low turnout election. but we've seen in the past by itself it wasn't enough to get hillary clinton elected and it may not be enough to get either the house of representatives back in 2018. if so, who's going to lead this party? who's going to be the person who defines what it stands for? we still see that divide. ralph northam was not a bernie sanders candidate. he beat a bernie sanders candidate does the that mean that wing the party is on the descendents or will the more liberal side reassert itself as we head into these midterms? we don't know the answer to that yet. >> i have to interrupt a little bit with foreign affairs because on the other side of your screen this is the president and first
lady, they're preparing to depart from the air base in south korea. next stop is china on this 12-day asian trip. phil, i couldn't help but notice after the white house made it known that this president wasn't going to try to go to the dmz, they called such visits clichés. we've seen the vice president there, we saw the previous president there and many other presidents since the war was at least halted, interrupt ready they did try to go. they had the white top black hawk helicopters if those marine corps couldn't making it no one could. they decided the fog was too thick today so they had to scrub the trip because had he to give the speech and then make this flight to china. >> that's right. but do you really believe that this president didn't want to have that photo op? it's the greatest photo op. >> and it comes with a jacket and you know he loves those military jackets. >> exactly. he wanted to be right there and
look across into north korea and he was going to be going with moon as well, which sara sanders told the reporters would make it a historic visit the two of them together with dnz. but mother nature intervened and the helicopters couldn't make the trip. >> back to current events, especially politics. kim there are say tweet tonight from our friend out in wisconsin. from the gop the really sad and alarming part of tonight is that the trumpist campaign gillespie ran say mirror of the way so many other republicans have been transforming themselves. this borrows from pieces of our conversation so far tonight, but what is it going to be like on the hill tomorrow? people forget the entire house is up every two years. >> the entire house is up and they also have policies that they're trying to pass, they're still trying to pass some sort of tax cut plan and still talking about healthcare.
maybe, you know, trying to throw in a repeal of the individual mandate of the affordable care act. had is going to have to give lawmakers pause because clearly these are not things that voters in a big state like virginia want to hear. and we -- look, we have talked a lot about the democrats having trouble with their message and not having a leader. but the republicans have been sort of twisting themselves into knots in the last year since president trump has been elected. and i think ed gillespie is a good example of that. and it doesn't always pay off in the end. so i think you're going to see republicans doing a lot of soul searching as to how they talked to their constituents and how they address policies here in washington moving forward. >> as you've been talking a lot of blue coming up with that yellow checkmark on these election returns from virginia and elsewhere tonight. our leadoff panel members have agreed to stay with us tonight. we will interweave them into the conversation. we have so much to talk about domestically and foreign apairs.
played in donald trump's life can best be described by borrowing the farmer's insurance tag line. he knows a thing or two because he's seen a thing or two. schiller was trump's bodyguard and bodyman, a fixture by his side for years. he's a large human. he remained with him all during the campaign and then trump made him head of oval office operations in the west wing. schiller is a former new york city police officer, he's also a navy veteran. as "politico" reports it today, he was the first person to see trump in the morning and the last to communicate with him at night. schiller managed to avoid reporteders as he exited the capital today and committee members aren't elaborating on what was asked or what was answered. but one can assume they are interested to learn what schiller observed and perhaps overheard as part of the inner circle. we're also learning today that president trump sent the head of the cia to meet with a
conspiracy theorist who doesn't believe they hacked the dnc e-mails. he met with mike pompeo who was on a fact finding mission. the intercept website which first reported the meeting spoke with a former cia official who categorized the significance of this event this way. quote, this is crazy. you've got all these intelligence agencies saying the russians did the hack. to deny that is like coming out with the theory that the japanese didn't bomb pearl hash bore said this former cia officer. with us tonight matthew miller former spokesman at doj now an nbc news justice and security analyst. we have the white house reporter from politico, that article we rerched just a moment ago, and jonathan swan, political reporter is back with us. welcome to you all. jonathan, first things first. let's go back to the top and talk about mr. schiller. there were always kinds of contemporaneous reports back
when the president first became president that he was banging around the residence with no one around to play with except schiller. these two guys who spoke new york in this strange town and a big empty house. they have spent concentrated days and hours together. add to the narrative what you can about the closeness and this relationship. >> it's hard to overstate how close they are. they were and they are, i thought annie did an excellent job in her story. but he was, he's a peer of trump, a generational peer. if you look at trump's inner circle at the moment in the white house, obviously you've got jared and ivanka and their family, hope hicks is almost like another daughter. but keith was something else. he was a generational peer who trump would confide in for everything. it wasn't just that they would talk about sports and women and all the other things that trump likes to talk about.
but he would actually ask him policy advice and as annie correctly lort reported, easy wa the first person to see him in the morning, last person to see him at night, he would walk in between the oval office and the residence. in those early wild west days of the administration when the oval office was kind of like grand central station, people would just wonder in and out, keith was the guy often just on pure gut instinct who would decide whether the president was in the right mood to see this person. he knows the president so well that he didn't even need to talk to the trump often, he would divine by his own understanding of trump whether this person who was in the outer oval, whether it was the right time to bring them in. so, as i said, you just can't overstate how close these two are and, as you said in your intro, he was seen a lot of things. >> let's quote annie's work. back to annie, shall we? here's another quote. many trump officials and friends said their main concern is that
the sight of trump's longest serving and closest 8ed, the man widely credited with his diet, mood, what triggers him and what soothes him. being how old u hauled in front of a committee could aggravate trump he's enters a series of high stakes meetings with the chinese on his 12-day trip through asia. annie, at minimum it's got tock to be a preokay occupation. >> definitely. i want to add to jonathan's recap of what he means. a lot of people in the white house have told me of all the high-level departures we've seen, the one with long lasting effects is the departure of keith schiller. this has take ann toll and made the president feel more isolated. this wasn't going in to talk to mueller so democrats had low expectation of any bombshell, intel committee. they saw this more as potentially him going in there to discredit the famous dossier
and kind of the white house giving their bliss blessing to him going in and doing this. nonetheless that footage that was all over the news today of keith schiller walking in, someone told me you bet trump's dcrin' this and watching it. it's a sign that these investigations coming now for the people closest to him. hope hicks is scheduled to talk to mule wher she gets back from asia. this is now the inner inner circle and i was told that the idea that keith shiller is being grilled for four hours, this is -- this is the trump chis whispers. this is the people that really know him. and even if schiller went in there just to discredit the trump dossier and say none of it is true, it's getting closer and closer to home. >> annie, there's no aspect and that was what put them together originally. it's muscle and brawn. there's a greatest hits video real of keith schiller getting the better of a whole lot of
protesters at a hole lot of events and in some cases when he didn't think anyone -- he's being gentle here with jorge, but when he didn't think anyone was watching. and trump has really -- that's a little less gentle there. trump has really appreciated that role and it was a fraught relationship when the secret service had to learn to live with keith, subassume him into their ranks. he would often be seen especially up on the hill walking with the president where a lead agent would often be seen. >> the whole setup was one of the stranger things from the beginning when trump came into office. it was one of the ways he was testing what is just norms and what is law. you can bring in a private security person to work hand in hand with the secret service? it's never been done before. another where he's shattering norms, but he did it, he brought in keith. this, yeah, i mean, he was a loyal guy, he didn't -- john
kelly, the new chief of staff has tried to create a culture where people in the white house under their serving the country and the constitution and then the president. keith schiller was there to serve dond j. truald j. trump. >> keith schiller was the body men, if we're allowed to say that. go through the list of things he might know about and be able to speak to in granulary detail. >> i think the most important things all have to do with what jonathan called those wild west days of the early administration. from the time he was sworn in until comey was fired in early may, that 3.5 month period that involved the formed the heart of bob mueller's obstruction of justice investigation. his request for a loyalty pledge, his request that he back off the flynn investigation, and then his apparent anger when comey didn't do that that led to him asking the director of national intelligence to intervene with the fbi, asking
the head of the cia to intervene, and then firing comey. for bob muler to prove that's obstruction of justice, he has to show that the president hadda a corrupt motive in mind when he did that. the way you show that is what the president said at the time. if he ever said in a room either to keith schiller or to other aides but you know keith schiller would be one of the ones because he was there in the most unguarded moments. if the president if jim comey doesn't back off this russia investigation, i'm going to get rid of him, that's the motive that bob mueller needs to show to prove obstruction of justice and that's why shiller is such an important witness to hips team. >> what's going on with the director of cia? we hasten to add he's a man of consequence. he was number one in his class at west point, went to harvard law school. mike pompeo never one to suffer fools gladly, confident in his intellect and ability, what's he going meeting with this guy?
>> it's not a great sign. >> you guys do understand that really well in your part of the world. >> well, i mean, if you believe the account and the intercept and it be hasn't been contradicted by the cia, this is donald trump saying, you know, this is the way it was quoted, that if you really want to know the facts, go and talk to this guy. and i mean, at the very least it's troubling because this person's theory runs entirely contrary to the entire intelligence community over which pompeo reigns. it would be run thing to send, you know, one of your deputies, subordinates, a few levels down to, you know, humor the president and listen to things. but for the head of the cia to go and take this meeting and very recently it's hard to interpret as anything else apart from just indulging some of your
boss's perhaps less savory instincts. >> good choice of words there. so annie if pompeo has ambitions beyond langley and, look, rumors are all over the place. >> i don't think there's anyone in washington who expects the secretary of state to remain in office past christmas. we just don't know from the secretary of state, but pompeo certainly has been mentioned as being a possible move to foggy bottom. this could leave a markon his permanent record. >> this -- that was the first thing i thought when i read the story today. he's the front runner as far as i can tell from talking to a lot of people to replace rex tillerson. people think it's not if, it's when. pompeo has by far trump favorite these days. he gives him his daily security briefing in person at the white house. and now this reveals kind of why he has risen and why he's a trump favorite. he appears to be willing to do what the president asks him do. and this situation is created --
if he's going going for secretary of state, any confirmation hearing will start with the question of why did you meet this person, is your loyalty to the president or to the oath you took do the job? meeting with someone who's denying claims that have been substantiated by all of our law enforcement agencies, it certainly will create a wrinkle in any future confirmation hearings and it sheds light on why he has risen to be one of trump's favorites as well. >> it's never boring here. matt miller, annie carney, jonathan swan, thank you so much as we thank you always for coming on. terrific conversation. did he really just promote his new jersey golf course in what had to be a first tonight before the korean assembly chamber? that's when the 11th hour continues.
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he had a warning for the leader of the north. >> anyone who doubts the strength or determination of the united states should look to our past and you will doubt it no longer. we will not permit america or our allies to be blackmailed or attacked. we will not allow american cities to be threatened with destruction. we will not be intimidated and we will not let the worst atrocities in history be repeated here on this ground we fought and died so hard to secure. >> so that was the meat of the speech, calculated, written out, disciplined, and tough talk, make no mistake. elsewhere in the speech, though, perhaps a surprise to many in the audience in south korea, a mention of his golf facility in
north jersey. >> the women's u.s. open was held this year at trump national golf club in bedminster, new jersey, and, it just happened to be won by a great korean golfer. >> all righty thing, let's bring back in our panelists, philip rut ter were kimberly alt kins, peterer back baker back with us. peter, i don't have a question except what did you make of what we witnessed tonight? >>ny where he gets a chance to talk about the golf clubs he's going to do that. he's shown that in the most unlikely of settings. what was interesting about the speech, it was meant to be tough, it was meant to send a signal, but it was not full of the fire and brimstone we've heard from the president in past weeks on this. he did not use the phrase fire
and fury he used in august. he did not call kim jong un little rocket man has did he in september, he didn't threaten to wipe the nation off the face of the earth. he said come to the table and make a deal just i few weeks after he told his own secretary of state publicly that negotiating was a waste of time. so we're seeing something of a mixed message to say the least. is he, in fact, puffing his chest in order to foreshadow a potential military confrontation or is he opening the door to a again within negotiated solution? we can't tell and that's sort of the things that leaves the situation soun certain and unsettled for many allies in the region. >> phil, who do you reckon has their hands and what's the traveling foreign policy shop? is it kind of a committee as it has been in so many other administrations? >> we are seeing differences in these remarks from day to day. >> that's right. but the speech that he delivered, the formal speech
that he delivered a couple hours ago is very much in keeping with what the top national security advisers had previewed back in washington before they departed on the trip. and trump's top aides are with him on this trip, including general kelly, the chief of staff, and general mcmaster the national security adviser. but the other thing that stuck out to me in this speech was he painted a picture of what life in north korea is like under this regime. he described it as hell. he talked about a murderous regime. and very dark terms. and then he painted a picture of south korea, talking about south korea's economy that's been booming for decades, about the political independence there. he even praised scienceists and authors and writers and talked about the olympics and really tried to draw a comparison out as he really tries to build support around the world to join this coalition against north korea. >> yeah, phil, to one of your points, i was struck by how clinical and graphic this speech
got at one point. >> very much so. >> very dark, wondering where -- how that was injected into this speech. it's not the kind of thing you wanted children in the room to hear. >> it's not, but we've seen this before in some of president trump's speeches, including his inaugural address when he talked about american carnage. he likes this sort of graphic imagery. he spoke this way on the campaign trail a lot. he describes terrorists as animals. i mean, he likes to come up with really sort of visceral terminology when he's making his points. >> kimberly vur to admit yesterday's theme from him was kind of let's make a deal. even in japan he was saying we can work something out. it was a little bit of outreach. today we are back to something closer to fire and furry. >> i think that's right. we've heard the president say many time that he doesn't want his enemies to know what he's thinking and he likes the element of surprise and
unpredictability. so we're certainly seeing that play out in these very different -- these very different words, very different approaches that we've seen in a matter of 24 hours. i mean, while he's still has not gone all the way to calling, you know, calling kim jong-un prejuror rative names, it was a lot strong, he a lot more resolute that you put these -- you stop this nuclear program or it's going to end very badly for you. and being really strong and resolute. so i think it's a way to keep the enemy guessing. >> peter, i got something to show you. it's tomorrow in south korea so for the president, tomorrow it's already the an verse riry of hi great election vic trit. and no matter where he is in the world, he's always capable of telling his great election victory. here's a collection of what he had to say about that today on the other side of the world.
>> almost 2 million jobs have been added since a very, very special day, it's called election day, november 8th. 2 million jobs. numbers are phenomenal over the last since november 8th election day. i appreciate very much your acknowledging and stating the fact that the united states economy has done so well since our election on november 8th. so it's november and he said to me, congratulations on your victory, its with a great victory. it is interesting that it is one year as of tomorrow that we had our election victory and it was a great victory and a victory that made a lot of people very happy. and trade is something that we always talk. it's one of my favorite subjects, i guess it's one of the reasons that i had that great successful victory last year at this time. and since my election, exactly one year ago today, i celebrate
with you. >> so that was a compendium since he's been on the asian trip i don't know if you heard the great election victory, this is the guy that said to the boy scouts they told me there was no path to 270. this is just going to be his thing i guess more and more so because of the threat to his election victory that goes on every day in washington, d.c. >> yeah, that's exactly right. brian, do you remember by the way that today's the anniversary of the election? don't forget. >> i was going to remind. >> you this is the one thing he holds on to as sort of a moment of great triumph, right she overcame the odds. nobody expected him to win, including donald trump, so he holds on to that because every day since then has been full of turmoil and trouble. it's trut economy's doing well, it's on the same path it was on when he inherit today with the exception of the stock market which has gone up more
substantially since he was elected. unemployment, job growth, these are more or less on the same track that he had inherited when he came in. so the truth is that he is still struggling to find things to hold on to that can count as victories. he didn't get one tonight in virginia in the off-year governor's election. he hasn't got a big one on capitol hill. we don't know that he'll get one on taxes. so the one thing he hangs on to, the one thing he can point to again and again is the election. as you point out because this investigation into russian meddling, even that election is called into question. so he brings it back up again in order to dispute the idea that there was anything unvar nished about it because he thinks that's trying to delegitimize his presidency. >> our panelists will stand by with us. we'll keep the conversation going. another break for us. when we come back, what just happened in the common wealth of virginia tonight. voters have spoken there and in some other bigrations. our own steve core knack i can speaks voter. he will join us at the big board for more of that when we come right back.
we are back as back at the big board after a big night for the democrats, steve. if you're look over the map adds the head of the party, where do they do from here? >> can you roll this into something bigger? they needed the moral victory. they needed something big. what about 2018? what about trying to get back in control of the house of representatives? that's where some of the results we saw tonight might be significant. we talked about this earlier. i said revenge of the suburbs you. had the suburbs up here. d.c. suburbs densely populated. a quarter of the state's population are up here. these are places that did not go for donald trump at all last year. they stayed very much against him you. saw extremely high motivation, very high turnout here. even worse margins against the republicans. voters who already didn't like trump decided to attach trump to
every republican that meant ed gillespie, ed gillespie really losing the election in the counties. something else is happening in virginia because of this. coming in tonight, the margin in the house of delegates, the state legislature, it was of 66 for the republicans. it was 34 for the democrats. but because of this wave especially up here so, many of the districts, so many of them are up here in this suburbs because of this wave. the size of this democratic wave right now as of this moment, democrats have won at least 13 of those republican held seats. they lead in two others. they are in striking distance in -- excuse me, three others. and they are in striking distance of three others. they could get control of the state house of delegates because of this wave. and the implications for 2018. look, if you get the same dynamic, that's the house of delegates there, if you get that same dynamic, though, think about nationally. that's what democrats want to
do. suburban wave next year. >> wow. when you put it that way, in terms of the house of delegates, and people were saying a microcosm, they were going to use it as a bit of a house preview in 2018. we've just witnessed quite a night, i guess. steve kornacki, thank you for chronicling all of it at the big board. our long suffering panel members remain with us. philip kimberly, and peter. peter, you could form a theory that donna brazile is the luckiest woman in the united states tonight. her new book about what just happened speaking of relitigating the election, which has made so many people so angry with her, will probably get nicely overshadowed by this victory and those who are in charge in the dnc can talk about good things going forward? >> yeah, i think that's a -- you're right about that. the democrats are looking for a unifying event to hold on to. the donna brazile thing threw them for a loop. they didn't know it was coming.
they were angry. they were upset. they were relitigating a year ago rather than looking forward. this gives them a chance to put that behind them a little bit and say what they plan to do in 2018. these numbers that steve goes over are really striking. i'm struck by for instance, in chesterfield county is outside of richmond. i lived in richmond for a few years. that's a really republican area. northam almost beat gillespie. loudoun which was pretty republican clearly switching solidly to blue. not just in this election, but the last two. two things here. one is the change of virginia from a very competitive purple state increasingly toward the blue column as a regular thing. and secondly, this backlash against president trump or at least trumpism, as ed gillespie sought to project it in this election only. whether this means anything going forward again, very open question. >> phil rutger, in 30 seconds or less, do you expect to see more republicans in the house decide this will be a great time to spend more time with their
families? >> potentially. i think what a lot of republicans in the house are going to have to decide whether to continue to support, you know, donald, president trump in every way or try to find ways to break with him and show some independence. and, you know, we'll have to see how much the republicans in the house contort themselves over the next year before these mid terms. >> and kimberly, 30 seconds. same rule to you. legislative outcome between now and the end of the year. what's the chance the actual chance a bill will arrive on the president's desk saying anything that he will sign? >> i think that it gets tougher tonight because of the contortions that republicans will start twisting themselves into and the fear about what comes in the midterm, if they pass something that the voters will ultimately reject. i think tonight it became a little harder for president trump's legislative agenda to move forward. >> you guys have been great. you're always great. combat pay all around tonight for phil rutger, kimberly atkins
last thing before we go here tonight. we've been looking for some good news to pass along. we always do around here. and there it was, as if on cue on the website of the daily mail today. the headline, "humans will one day live forever and only die in accidents," claim scientists who believe blood transfusions can keep people perpetrator put yuli youthful. so we've got that going for us. it sounds like we've got take it easy and live carefully and then we're home for free. everlasting life promised by so many of the world's religions. and yet so far mathematically impossible among us mortals here on earth. it's the holy grail, as you might imagine, to so many scientists. and the biomedical injury
gerantologists quoted in the report says blood plasma may play a role. once we reach this point when disease and age can be stopped in their tracks and be forced to march backwards, we have to really drive carefully. by then amazon and going legal be driving while we sit inert in the back seat while apple plays something it sure thought we liked. and yes, while a near zero death rate does raise issues of housing, natural resource and restaurant reservations we are confident in silicon valley's ability to come up with a work-around patch by this weekend. well, for all of us who must now cheat death and commute home at midnight in new york city, that is our tuesday evening broadcast. a live edition of "hardball with chris matthews" coming up directly. thank you so much for being with us. good night from new york.
trump thumped. let's play "hardball." i'm chris matthews. it's midnight in washington on a huge night for resistance. democrats in virginia and new jersey won massive victories and sent a clear and unmistakable message nationally, a rejection of president trump. in virginia ralph northam bounded ahead of late polls defeating republican ed gillespie who had run a trumpian campaign focused on crime, illegal immigration and confederate monuments. democrats won all statewide offices. trump backed gillespie, even putting out a robocall for him. but tonight he sent a dear john letter all the way from seoul. not even the 7,000 mil